Tue Jun 23 05:02:59 2020
<853f0f69> Where would you make an autonomous zone? How big would it be?
<853f0f69> I was thinking about defending physical space over (x) timeframe and what size would be big enough to be a zone but not to large where you basically become Detroit. Ew.
<8f79fcda> <https://streamable.com/5q2bvs> nowhere near one of these
— How to bathe a communist
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<8f79fcda> a house is an autonomous zone if you try hard enough
<8f79fcda> the hard part is, you have to have resource exchange
<8f79fcda> agreed
<853f0f69> I don’t know what the Seattle layout looks like. Because that’s a canvas that’s been poorly drawn on.
<8f79fcda> what exactly is an “autonomous zone”?
<8f79fcda> you have to have scope enough to build everything you need to satisfy the needs of the group
<8f79fcda> water, food security, shelter
<8f79fcda> you have to have a compelling reason to HAVE an autonomous zone
<853f0f69> Let’s get to that later. I’m building the setting
<8f79fcda> ah
<8f79fcda> sufficient space for water production, food production, shelter – you need materials for them as well.
<853f0f69> Let’s call it 20k people. 5k come and go as they please. 3k die hards. 7k protestors. 1k..nvm
<853f0f69> Taking a step back.
<8f79fcda> 2000 calories a day for normal operations, but you need more like 3-4k calories a day if you’re doing hard work
<853f0f69> Well that comes later as well. The needs of the people are the last things in SimCityRiot
<853f0f69> As it is in these riots and most shit
<853f0f69> Semantics. I care as much as mao
<8f79fcda> ahhhh i see
<853f0f69> I’m gonna go back and think on some parameters. Bc this could be interesting. Or not.
<8f79fcda> entropy/thermodynamics is what you’re talking about
<853f0f69> I’m starting with terrain. Ideal terrain for an autonomous Zone.
<8f79fcda> look at coal mining towns pre ww2
<8f79fcda> they’ll have the population, organization, and resources
<853f0f69> And the black lung
<8f79fcda> if you want to go really old school – look at pre-industrial cities post revolutionary war
<853f0f69> Ya I was thinking some of the old areas along. The Mississippi would be a spot.
<8f79fcda> but even then, you’ve got some of the same issues then as now – production, distribution, transportation,
<8f79fcda> you’ve got to have monopoly on some abundant resource
<853f0f69> Bc how long would it take before the autonomous Zone ughhhh stabilizes? 9months+?
<853f0f69> Galts gulch baby. Bitcoiners and the Citadel!!!
<8f79fcda> stabilization isn’t sufficient, but let’s say you find “steady state economics”
<8f79fcda> there will always be inflows and outflows
<8f79fcda> and it’ll take as long as it takes to broker sufficient trade deals that leave you with more of what you want at a cost that is less than it takes you to get it
<853f0f69> Ya. A single autonomous zone won’t work.
<8f79fcda> otherwise the system implodes
<853f0f69> A network of autonomous zones though…
<8f79fcda> yeah sure
<8f79fcda> isn’t that what a company is?
<8f79fcda> pick any company… ANY organization
<8f79fcda> aren’t they autonomous zones?
<8f79fcda> companion – translates to “bread fellow” in greek
<853f0f69> So should I change this to “what if amazon wearhouses became autonomous zones?”
<853f0f69> Well maybe googles campus
<853f0f69> So let’s go with the protestor them.
<853f0f69> I’m thinking I’d go for prescriptive easements in the zone once I figure out exactly where that is lol
<8f79fcda> toll roads?
<853f0f69> Alright enough playin for tonight. I’m out. Night.
<8f79fcda> :heart:
<8f79fcda> ttys
<8f79fcda> *<https://www.etymonline.com/word/riot#etymonline_v_15091|riot (n.)>*
c. 1200, “debauchery, extravagance, wanton living,” from Old French _riote_ (12c.) “dispute, quarrel, (tedious) talk, chattering, argument, domestic strife,” also a euphemism for “sexual intercourse,” of uncertain origin. Compare Medieval Latin _riota_ “quarrel, dispute, uproar, riot.” Perhaps from Latin _rugire_ “to roar.” Meaning “public disturbance” is attested by late 14c.
— riot | Origin and meaning of riot by Online Etymology Dictionary
— RIOT Meaning: “debauchery, extravagance, wanton living,” from Old French riote (12c.) “dispute, quarrel, (tedious)… See definitions of riot.
<8f79fcda> *<https://www.etymonline.com/word/protest#etymonline_v_2730|protest (n.)>*
c. 1400, “avowal, pledge, solemn declaration,” from Old French _protest_ (Modern French _prôtet_), from _preotester_, and directly from Latin _protestari_ “declare publicly, testify, protest,” from _pro-_ “forth, before” (from PIE root **per-* (1) “forward,” hence “in front of, before”) + _testari_ “testify,” from _testis_ “witness”
— protest | Origin and meaning of protest by Online Etymology Dictionary
— PROTEST Meaning: “avowal, pledge, solemn declaration,” from Old French protest (Modern French prôtet), from preotester,… See definitions of protest.
