Tue May 26 17:19:25 2020
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<7d56dcb3> imagine calling a nation that’s beating you in manufacturing and trade “communist”
<8f79fcda> description hasn’t changed
<7d56dcb3> yeah. it’s not low effort propaganda though.
<8f79fcda> then put some effort in that’s on topic if you want
<7d56dcb3> i dunno if you’ve noticed, but most of my posts have been indepth analysis of how chicoms actually work and their responses to american accusations…
<8f79fcda> idk if you’ve noticed but you also avoid some uncomfortable truths with whaddabout-isms, cherrypicking, and no-true-scotsmen
<7d56dcb3> because the uncomfortable truth is that america engages in the very same activities you accuse china of doing
<7d56dcb3> i’m pretty deep in chinese/asian spaces, so i have a more clear view of what chicoms are actually doing…
<8f79fcda> And what is that?
<8f79fcda> We’ve asked you to explain your thinking and … without fail you change the subject
<8f79fcda> At least that’s my interpretation of what I’ve seen
<8f79fcda> Or a whaddabout
<7d56dcb3> yes, they are challenging america’s position as the world’s leading super power.
is this good or bad? let’s let the world decide…
are they ready? from what i’ve seen… not reaaalllly…..
<7d56dcb3> they’re only a maturing world power… and it’s pretty obvious to see the economic fuckery the cia is trying to do to them…
<7d56dcb3> but… i guess you guys would rather have russian missiles in cuba than china making your phones and computers eh?
<8f79fcda> So if the world is deciding on a daily/minute-by-minute basis it would seem…. and given the nature of this Chan… why would you (not the world) give them the benefit of the doubt?
Even further… if you know what the underpinnings of communism are, and resultant outcomes of every communist/socialist system is…
<8f79fcda> You’re basically saying “not real communism”
<7d56dcb3> u know… it’s funny how americans moved all their factories and manufacturing to china… instead of their supposed allies in southeast asia, like vietnam, thailand, philippines, singapore, etc… and then complain that china is getting bigger… and then expecting those poor asian nations they neglected to “contain” china…
<7d56dcb3> and then you have korea and japan… who are good, but frankly not enough for your little “containment” strategy… especially not when you keep feeding the dragon lol
<8f79fcda> >all
False
>Bill Clinton is a rapist
Infowars dot com
<8f79fcda> You know what billy boy did with China right?
<7d56dcb3> yeah. shot missiles into their embassy lol
<7d56dcb3> but omg china is the bad guy her guyzzzz…
<8f79fcda> So admitting them to WTO etc was a “sorry bruh”?
<7d56dcb3> you’re going to complain about admitting china into the free-market WTO? and then call them communists?
<7d56dcb3> > if you know what the underpinnings of communism are, and resultant outcomes of every communist/socialist system is…
<8f79fcda> Do they operate as a free market wrt their foreign trade policies?
<7d56dcb3> sounds like someone’s just mad china wasn’t exploited like all the 3rd world shit holes that experienced “american capitalism”
<8f79fcda> If anything it sounds like you’re complaining that the US is pushing back against the ill-conceived admission to WTO via trade tariffs and saying “whelp I guess they beat us at capitalism”
<7d56dcb3> do you realize what they give us vs what we give them?
<7d56dcb3> we give them fucking food, grains, cheese, wheat, etc… for fucking advanced electronics and other plastic nick knacks.
<8f79fcda> Protection of global trade?
<7d56dcb3> we give them groceries, they give us fucking walmart.
<8f79fcda> Walmart is an American company…
<7d56dcb3> check where 99% of walmart products are made…
<7d56dcb3> btw, we also have a fuck-ton of farm subsidies so it’s not like that’s a “free market” either…
<7d56dcb3> but all that excess gets exported overseas, china among them.
<8f79fcda> And … intel is an American company
<7d56dcb3> most hardware and semiconductors are manufactured in china…
<7d56dcb3> it’s like this… we give them a loaf of bread… they give us fucking cell phones.
<8f79fcda> …they don’t have IP ownership of the components they are making…
<8f79fcda> Unless they steal them
<7d56dcb3> they don’t have to steal shit. they just make home grown knockoffs.
<7d56dcb3> like samsung vs apple lol
<8f79fcda> … that’s … still theft
<7d56dcb3> neither of us are IP lawyers, so i’m not gonna get into what constitutes IP theft and what doesn’t…
<8f79fcda> I have a masters degree in intellectual property development dude
<7d56dcb3> the IP laws in china are different. it was also part of the deal to give china the IP so they can develop their own domestic manufacturing in exchange for cheap chinese labor for american companies.
<8f79fcda> … and an addition 300b$ a year in IP theft
<8f79fcda> Lest we forget the laundry list of stolen military and other secrets
<7d56dcb3> yup. it’s china’s fault that our own military was incompetent in protecting those secrets. china bad! next time, they should be helping the US protect it’s own secrets!
<7d56dcb3> also, let’s not forget the US spying on their own allies, bugging phones, encrypted cables, etc…
<773ab1f1> Yea dude thats the real world. all countries spy on each other. Been that way since the birth of the nations tate
<7d56dcb3> but somehow it’s news when china does it…
<773ab1f1> Yea, because they are geopolitical adversaries
<773ab1f1> Have you ever looked at the history of whataboutism?
<7d56dcb3> i can tell you guys… i know someone that works in NRL… and they have to deal with chinese hackers all day… but boy were they pissed when the human resources database was hacked… and they didn’t blame china for, that was our own incompetence…
<7d56dcb3> <https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/chinas-progress-on-intellectual-property-rights-yes-really/>
— China’s Progress on Intellectual Property Rights (Yes, Really)
— Foreign firms have been slow to realize the substantial changes in China’s protection of IP rights.
<773ab1f1> To suggest that the perpetrator of a crime does not deserve blame, is some sort of weird pretzel logic I can’t even understand.
<7d56dcb3> china spies… america spies… everyone does it…
<773ab1f1> We have established that
<773ab1f1> It’s a question of what type of government do you want to fill the power vacuum. USA warts and all? Or a digital totalitarian state.
<7d56dcb3> the USA is it’s own digital totalitarian state
<773ab1f1> Hyperbole does not help your case
<7d56dcb3> at some point, a company has to be responsible for their own infosec.
<7d56dcb3> can’t expect to just leave the door unlocked and not think spies won’t get in
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<773ab1f1> CHY-NAH
<7d56dcb3> i will say this… china is really bad at playing a propaganda war…
<7d56dcb3> they think just calmly stating facts is going to help them…
<7d56dcb3> they don’t understand how to be loud and spread disinformation, even if it is bullshit.